Episode 015: Sustainable High Performance and Burnout Recovery with Rob Tracz

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Episode 015: Sustainable High Performance and Burnout Recovery with Rob Tracz

Episode Description:

In this episode, host Mo Salami welcomes high‑performance coach Rob Tracz to dismantle hustle culture and reveal a sustainable path to success without burnout.

 Rob shares his personal journey from relentless grind through career‑limiting exhaustion to redefining success around energy management, identity, and intentional living. 

You’ll learn the difference between “robot mode” and “human mode,” why time management fails without energy awareness, and how prioritizing health, relationships, and clarity fuels long‑term achievement. 

Whether you’re an entrepreneur, leader, or high achiever, Rob offers actionable frameworks — including his Prime Performance Process — to help you build momentum while protecting your well‑being. 

Tune in for practical insights that empower you to work smarter, live fuller, and achieve sustainably.
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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

It might not be the best thing to say, but I would say, hey man, you're not special. You're just like everybody else. And then the same thing I would talk to myself back then, like, Rob, you're not special, dude. You're gonna burn out. All these signs of isolation and your chaotic schedule, poor habits, you're not learning anything, you're not challenging yourself, you're not creating opportunities. All these things are the signs that you're going down, and you're not special. It's gonna happen to you as well.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Hi, it's Mo Salami, and welcome to the show. My guest today is someone that I admire a lot for his work ethic and the fact that he walks his talk. You know, he's someone that I've known for a few years now, and we are in for a treat. Rob Tracy is a high performance coach, an entrepreneur, and his most important work didn't begin with optimizing habits or or chasing goals. It began when burnout forced him to confront the cost of constant grind, drawn from his background in exercise science and years of coaching driven professionals. Rob helps high achievers break out of robot mode and build sustainable success without sacrificing their health and their identity. Rob, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Hey Mo, thank you for having me. Thank you for that great introduction. It's always great to see you, and I'm excited to be here, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Awesome. Rob, I am such a fan of your backstory. So tell us how did you get here today? What's your what's your backstory?

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Yeah, yeah. So as you kind of led to there in the intro, my my background's in strength and conditioning. And I kind of fell into that industry and profession because I was always an athlete. I all the different sports team that that I was on as I grew up, those teams became my home away from home. So the players I worked with, the coaches that became the new family that I had, because my family back on the real home front was a little bit split. My parents got divorced when I was at a young age, like five or six. So it was difficult for me to kind of fight for that attention. And sports and athletics gave me that attention because it was that instant approval or disapproval, if you do poorly, building that teamwork and being around other athletes really led me to showing up as much as best as I can. And then that started the interest of taking care of my body, the food that I was eating. I began to prioritize schoolwork and such so I can continue to play. And that was the beginning of my personal development journey. And that led me through high-level athletes. I played college football, shifted over to rugby, helped to win a championship. And as undergrad drew near ending, I was afraid about losing that family. And I was facing this new identity of like, okay, who's this non-athlete of Rob going to be? And it made it easy for me to transition into the weight room, because it's a place that I'd always been familiar with different sports. And it's a common ground where people can work together to train towards a common goal of winning championships and such. And made it easy for me to just change the love of human performance and begin teaching that. And and I remember actually, it's pretty funny because when I was leaving undergrad, I would packed up my car and I was leaving university. And I remember talking to myself saying, wow, I have a bachelor's in kinesiology. I know all there is to know about human movement. I'm not going to learn another thing for the rest of my life. This is it. I know everything there is to know. And fast forward two weeks later in my first internship, I realized that I don't know anything. And that began this journey of continuing to learn more and went back to grad school. And then I took this work ethic from sports and applied it to my education. And then after grad school, I went into this industry of strength and conditioning. And this industry of the private sector gave me my first taste of entrepreneurship. And that first little taste was all I needed to be hooked because all I needed to do to make more money was just work a little bit harder. And there was essentially no limit to how much I could work. So that inspired me to quickly build my book of business up to the point where I'm working 15, 16, sometimes 17-hour days, back-to-back sessions, seven days a week for almost three years straight without taking a day off. And I just kept wearing this badge of work ethic burnout on my shoulder. And it was a quick spiral downhill. And I was so stubborn because of my work ethic that I just continued to grind, grind, grind. And in that period, I lost so much, so many powerful relationships, the romantic relationships, friendships, family, myself even. I was in the worst shape I'd ever been, despite being a role model for strength and conditioning.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

When was the moment, Rob, when you realized that this badge of honor is actually a badge of burnout? And what was the change that you actually made?

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Yeah, I think it was right around when my when my dad got sick with pancreatic cancer, and I I was working still full full days, and then I would hop in the car and I would drive three to three and a half hours just to be by my dad's bedside while he was in hospice, and I'd stay by his side all night long. And first thing in the morning, I would get back in the car, drive three hours back to work to the gym I was at just to train all day, and then hop back in the car. I did this for about a week straight. And in my head, I wasn't telling anybody that my dad was sick and I was doing this. I was just running on energy drinks and sunflower seeds, essentially, just praying that he wouldn't pass away while I was away. And it was in there that I realized, like, hey, I'm doing all this, I'm grinding, I'm building this book of business for this attention and care and pretty much approval from my dad and my family. Yet I'm so busy working and grinding that I can't spend the time with the ones I'm doing it for. And then when my dad passed, I realized that I'm never going to be able to get that back. And the way that the pancreatic cancer came on, it took my dad's retirement away from him. That's all he had ever talked about was I can't wait to retire, can't wait to just chill out and listen to music. And he got sick and tried to file for retirement and thinking that he'd be able to officially retire and enjoy a little bit of it. But because he had passed away four or five days before his first official retirement day, he technically passed away while still employed. And that was hard for me because I'd seen how hard he had worked his whole life. And that woke up something to me like you can work really, really hard and never enjoy any of the fruits of your labor. So that was a small segment of an awakening for me. But after my dad passed, I was almost moving too fast that I didn't have enough time to reflect on that. And I went right back to work. And it took about another year of that burnout grind from until I was able to really sit down and be like, wow, this is not what I want to do. This is not who I'm trying to be. I'm essentially wasting time just doing this. And there's something else to my story. There's there's more to me than just teaching squats and deadlifts. And I don't know exactly what that is, but I need to start to change something. And I need to start to pay attention to what it really is and try to figure that out. And that's what really started me down this journey again, and eventually brought me to what I do now, which is running the small strategy firm for our prime performance.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Rob, thanks for sharing that. And how did your your father's situation, your father's story, change your perspective on the concept of retirement, lifestyle design, and enjoying the moment, enjoying doing the things you want to do right now?

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Well, I think it really changed my identity and understanding of who I was and what I wanted to do. Because for the longest time, when I first got into strength and conditioning, I was like, oh, I'm never going to retire. I don't even want to retire. And that might be true now because I don't really see myself ever officially just kind of kicking back and not doing something. I'm kind of individual that needs to always be working and doing, moving, and doing something that there is. And I think the idea that really shifted in me was why I was doing these things. And for me before, it was like, okay, I'm just never going to stop. I'm just always going to never retire, just keep working forever to receive this attention and appraisal. And I think through losing my dad, I realized like, hey, this is not the healthiest modes of motivation. Maybe I need to pivot this and create something new. And I can continue working as long as it's fulfilling and driving me forward. And all those years as a strength and conditioning coach, it was so closely aligned to what I'm doing now. So it felt like it was a smooth track that I was traveling down, but it was just this little divots and deviation that was to and away causing friction. And it wasn't enough friction or pain for me to realize, like, hey, this is not what I want to be doing. But it was enough where it just slowly grinded away at me and slowly started to peel back and weigh at my endurance and my grit. And because I had built so much of my identity off of that grit and resilience through sports, that it almost motivated me more to continue to push and that just continued to create more friction. And after three years of nonstop, it finally broke me down and realized, like, okay, now something needs to change.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

Right. And how was that guided how you serve your clients in terms of high performance? You're someone that has an amazing work ethic. I mentioned at the top of the call that you know I really admire you for that. How has that changed how you now serve your clients, given that not everyone would have that work ethic, to be fair?

SPEAKER_00 10:21

It's not a one-size work ethic. Not everybody needs to do the same as me because there's totally plenty of people in the world who work much harder than I do on much bigger projects and much smaller projects. And I think the through line idea here is to be aware of your work ethic and being aware of when and how hard you need to push, and also being aware of when and how you need to slow down. Because I think that is where you flip that switch, right? You had mentioned in the intro about the robot mode. And to me, robot mode isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's actually beneficial because that's where you get things done. You improve efficiency and you get that work accomplished. The problem is when you stay in robot mode for too long and you're unable to shift out and back into human mode, right? Because without human mode, we lose emotions and feelings, and we lose a lot of that joy because we're operating like AI and we're moving just off of objective features that we need to finish.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

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SPEAKER_00 12:21

Yeah, I think robot mode is that just efficiency like flow state where you you've got your tasks, you've got the objectives that you're trying to accomplish. And it doesn't really matter what your feelings are at the time because you all you care about is achieving X, Y, and Z. And that can be good in certain circumstances, but you need to be able to switch back into this human mode where you can enjoy life and you can enjoy company and you can feel the emotions in different states and really feel life because you're either living life or you're working grinding in these robot modes, and being able to flip that switch is what's really powerful.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

Reminds me a lot of when people talk about balance and how it's not achievable, perhaps. How does someone flip that switch from robot mode to human mode? Do they almost stand outside of themselves or how will they do that?

SPEAKER_00 13:17

Yeah, I think just developing a sense of awareness and that consciousness around yourself, where you're at, and and being aware. And you do that by like setting boundaries and deadlines and just being okay with, okay, this is a sprint season. I know I'm gonna need to push here, but this is where I cut it off. This is where I'm gonna tone things down. And for myself, when I was in robot mode, I was ignoring that. And I just kind of kept push, push, push, push, push. That's where a mentor or a peer or somebody from an outside perspective can shine light on, hey man, you have been pushing a little bit longer, like, hey, you're gonna burn now, and or blah, blah, blah, blah. Sometimes you need that external lens. And if you can't have a system in place or a way to do it for yourself, a mentor or a peer or an accountability buddy acts just the same, if not even better.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

What struck me at the start was you you spoke so much about not just your grind, but the fact that you're willing to learn more and become more. And talk to me about the importance of having a mentor, having a coach, if you want success, you know, at a at a high level.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Yeah, I think it it's incredibly important because that's where you draw the inspiration, the motivation, and get the bigger vision, right? So when we're working alone in isolation, we can only think as big as we can think. We don't know what we don't know. So we can't see the unseen. And I think when I first stepped out of undergrad into my internship, that was the vision. It opened everything up and I was like, wow, there's a lot to this that I don't know. So then that's what inspired me to go back to grad school. And then I had shifted and I moved into this new work environment where I was looked at as the top expert and I had known everything. And a lot of my peers and even my superiors in that time, the owner of the facility, they were looking up to me. I basically capped out on the vision, the law of the lid, right? By John Maxwell. It's like you only know as high as you can go. And I think that prevented me and that stopped me from seeing further and seeing more, and then also seeing the damage that I was doing to myself, because all I knew was wake up, coach these sessions, plan this food out, do this, follow that day after day after day. And I started distancing myself from those people who were the ones who were caring, the ones who normally do go, hey Rob, you've been working like 14 weeks straight. Don't you want to take a break or something? And I would distance myself from them because my clients were the ones who were like, oh, okay, let's book, let's book. And not saying that my clients were against me, because they were had the best interest in it too. They're like, hey, don't you think you should take some time for yourself? Don't you think something? But they didn't want me to do that on their time. So I then I kept kind of getting caught up because there didn't seem to be an opening for me to kind of breathe or move when I didn't have that lens to look into from the outside.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

I guess this is an A B question, which is what's the definition of sustainable success? And also what is your perspective on health as the the greatest form of wealth?

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Yeah, so I think like sustainable success, I think it's a I think it's an ever-growing living thing, right? I think our individual definitions of success are that exactly they're individuals, and so my definition of success might be different from yours and from somebody else's. And I think that that definition changes. And I think everybody gets so excited to just define it as like this is what success is. I think it's alive and it changes with different things that happen and come. And as long as it's still trailing in the same direction, moving towards bigger goals and and growth. I think that it's going to continue and you should continue to grow along with that kind of chasing after. It reminds me of, I believe it was Matthew McConaughey, and he's like, oh, my hero is me from five years or 10 years down the road. And every 10 years he gets there, they ask, Oh, who's your new hero? He's like, Oh, me at 35. And he gets to 35. He's like, Oh, it's me at 45. And he keeps pushing that moving forward and bettering himself. And I think that's with sustainable success is that drive to continue to grow and move forward. And you're uh you asked about health being the ultimate form of wealth. And I think that's very true because the more problems that we can solve, the more wealth that we can accumulate. And if we don't have our health, we're very limited on the amount of different problems that we can we can solve because we're limited to just solving that health problem. So as long as we prioritize our health and we have that, that gives us the ability to choose or at least to pursue other problems that solve. But the second that our health gets taken away, if we don't prioritize that health, then we have no more options. We only have that one problem, or then we have no problems.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

People are super ambitious, things they want to do, achieve, become. And if the health is an issue, that becomes the only ambition. Really great that you mentioned that, Rob. And when it comes to high performance, what's the distinction between time management and energy management?

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Yeah, I love this because somebody once told me that time management isn't even really a thing. And if you think about it, time isn't even really a thing because there's only just now. And it's because we think about the future and we think about the past as these ideas, but everything is just one thing and that's right now. So if you put on pause this time management idea, then you think like, okay, well, if now is the only thing, it's what I'm doing now, and what I do affects my energy. So if I shift to energy management and I and I focus on how I'm managing my energy now, that affects the ability that I can do things in this time. So I think if you shift it from managing the idea of time and shifting to just like what are our inputs and what are our exports? So what are we outputting on everything? And we focus on the things that we're doing and bringing in, that'll determine the amount of energy that we have to then going back to that what we were talking about before about the choices of different problems. So the more energy that we have, the more motivation and then the more problems that we can solve and create more stuff.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

What's the relationship between showing up and here's what I want and I deserve it because I'm this great person versus showing up and grinding every single day? I just want to get your take on this. Hi, it's Mo Salami. Quick question. What would it feel like to finally have a predictable, scalable online revenue engine in your business? One that reliably brings in 10k plus months without chaos. If you're an established business owner and you want a dependable online revenue stream that truly complements your authority and your brand, I've opened up a limited number of free taste strategy sessions for listeners. This isn't a sales call, it's a 30-minute strategy session where I'll help you clarify your biggest leverage point, assess your current model, and uncover what your next 90-day scalable revenue plan could look like. To apply and to see if you qualify, go to mostsalami.com forward slash consulting. That's most salami.com forward slash consulting and submit your application for the free taste session. I'll link it in the show notes.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

Yeah, I think that's a great question. And I think that the I think it kind of falls through here on expectations. I think if you if you're somebody who's out grinding and pushing and showing up day after day, that begins to shift the needle towards expectation of, oh, I should, I'm more deserving of this, I'm more willing of this, versus just kind of showing up and achieving and and doing things. I think putting that work in ahead of time rewards you with that feeling of, okay, I now I deserve this. This is where it comes into. But sometimes when you shift and you work too much and you're stuck in that ground. grind, then you don't give yourself that room to like, hey, maybe now I can enjoy this.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

Does that make sense? Absolutely. And what I was referring to as well was the people that have all of the faith in the things they want minus the grind. They're just like, I want this result, I want this outcome. And you sort of nudged them that, okay, I get it. Have the faith for the outcome you want, but you need to put in the work as well was also what I was alluding to. Have you ever had come across this sort of situation?

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Yeah, actually. So you see a lot of people, especially in like the fitness world, I saw that all the time. People just wishing and wanting the better bodies, but then not putting the work in the gym or in the kitchen. And then you also see this similar thing the other way around too. So you have people who are working very, very hard, but they spend all this time working on the wrong things. And then they still don't see that success in the same things. You see that in entrepreneurship as well. A lot of people going out trying these different things like, oh, I'm going to build a course or I'm going to start a community. I'm going to write a book. I'm going to do this. But they are spending a little bit of time grinding on one thing and then they jump ship and they're spending more time on this or they're doing that. So they're doing so much stuff that they don't have enough built-up time or they don't put enough effort into one or two of those things that nothing ever actually catches on traction. So there's a couple different categories here. It's like the individual who's hustling so hard but never really grabbing the traction. And there's the individual who's just sitting back wanting and waiting for it instead of taking the action into their own hands to create that. And then there's also the individuals who are grinding, moving forward, aware of what they need to do so they can change and then proceed forward. And those are the individuals who end up making the results that they're chasing after.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

I know that Keith Cunningham always says similar to what you said there of get in line and stay in line. Obviously we have all these shiny objects and there's that phrase that says you can get to anything you want in five years. So you can become whatever you want to become in a space of five years. Your framework, I want you to talk a little bit about that. Like just give us an overview is it the Prime Performance edge just an overview.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

And I wonder if you could dive into one of the frames if you could yeah so the prime performance process I guess is is the journey that I went on myself to realize like okay hey I'm doing a lot of different things but I'm not generating that momentum. I'm not getting that traction I was that individual who was working super hard but not getting the results that I needed to when I've realized like okay hey I need to start to look at some of these things a little bit differently. I need to pay attention to where I'm challenging myself and question whether or not this is an appropriate challenge. I'm going to relate it back to like going to the gym. It's like okay I want to be bench pressing a hundred pounds and I just like am I jumping in there am I progressively building up to that or am I just sitting over here with five pounds every day and just wishing that it'll eventually happen? And am I actually appropriately challenging myself? And then also where am I at with my inputs too right? So am I consuming the things that are going to be moving me forward educational, inspiration motivational things where am I wasting time on junk food, snacks, doom scrolling these areas and being aware of those helps us kind of moving forward. So the prime performance process really is these six principles and the awareness around those and I've divided those into three phases. We've got the look good phase, we've got the feel good phase, and we've got the doing great things phase. And in that looking good, what it really means is showing up with the strength and confidence to handle what life throws at you. So that goes back to that idea of are we challenging ourselves appropriately enough? And the second half of that is having the energy and motivation to really continue pushing forward for those ups and downs of entrepreneurship, which is taking an audit at what we're consuming, both dietary nutrition, but then also the digital nutrition as well. We've got that dialed in we could officially say we're looking good. And once you start looking good, it's time to start feeling good. And you feel good when you know where you're at, where you're trying to go and you're super clear on that path. And then you work to optimize that path so that it's smooth sailing and it's nice cruise control all the way there. And once you've got that then you're looking good and you're feeling good and you're on your way to point B, your destination. So now it's time to start doing great things. And we do that by getting around incredible people. So we talk about social influence and support systems, but then also creating that shared success. So how do we create more opportunities, not only for ourselves, but for our peers and for our audience as well. And once you've got those strong people around you and you're creating those opportunities, you can officially say you're doing great things and now you're looking good, you're feeling good and you're doing great stuff and you've officially become a prime performer Wow on that journey to looking good feeling good and doing great things how strict does the person have to be everyone's prime performance process is going to be a little bit different. And it gets painted through the lens of awareness. So understanding who we are as an individual what does that path look like and where can we draw the bumpers? So if we do deter a little bit with a treat meal or a cheat meal, is that going to ruin our journey or is that just is it intentional? Are we acting with intention? So like when the weekend comes around is this like a reward or is this because we're slipping up and we're cracking under pressure or whatever it may be. So it depends on everybody. Some people are more strict than others and that's just how life goes because that's your life that you're living I could tell you you got to follow this to a T and it might work really well for you but it's going to work the best for me because that's the way that it was built and designed.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

So for you your path is going to be slightly different than mine looks so let's say you have someone and they feel stuck between ambition and exhaustion where do they start do they start with their mindset do they start with their habits do they start with their environment where will they go to first very first thing I would recommend is doing an audit of where we're at, what have we been doing?

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Because if you're exhausted but you're still driven to kind of do more, we want to look at what's leading to a lot of this this exhaustion is there some inefficiencies that could be slightly changed or tinkered around with or do we need more mindset stuff or do we or do we just need a little bit of a breather? Do we just need like a weekend to recharge and are we recharging well? Because sometimes when we think we need to take a day off or so to recharge we end up just eating junk food and and doom scrolling or playing games or whatnot. And and that doesn't allow our bodies to really regenerate. So it depends. And I think the best strategy is looking at like okay what's leading us to where we're at here where do we want to get to next strategize out and create a game plan. And then let's make some commitments to execute that game plan. So it sounds like that was the old me.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

The new me does this talk to me a little bit about that how identity plays a role in becoming that prime performer I guess a change of identity.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Yeah I think it's um it it's the season that you're in right because Doom scrolling let's use Doom scrolling for an example. Like it if you're really pushing and you're trying to hit this deadline and you're trying to do something Doom scrolling definitely is not going to be the best use of your time but say you just finished a huge project and you're hanging out and uh you've got nothing to do and you're like you know what I'm just going to chill out. I I don't have anything to do for the next week or so. You want to do a scroll for a little while because it's entertaining and and you want to watch Rob's great videos on Instagram. So you're like yeah let me look at what Rob's doing. Like it's okay to do a scroll in those situations because the season allows for some extra enjoyment or distraction even. But as soon as it shifts back into like okay this is a time period where it's going to be a sprint and I need to be putting on some work that identity of like okay what's on my menu for what I can consume has slightly changed. It's now time for me to dial this in. I better be listening to the Most Alami podcast. I better be reading these books. I better make sure that I'm dialed in so that I can continue pushing forward for these long hours and then I can shift back into something on a different season.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

So so so outstanding.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

And a lot of people they tie their identity to achievement what happens when success becomes the only source of self-worth it makes it very difficult to continue growing right for that sustained success because everything just continues to level up and get higher and higher and bigger demands and bigger demands and and if you're chasing after those external things eventually it'll catch up to you. So being able to adjust and change your target is where the real skills kind of come into play. And that's what I believe leads back to that sustained success because that's where life or the living thing can continue to grow and and evolve.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

When it comes to success imagine two different pie charts or actual pies if you will and one of them success and on the other side you've got a three-part pie where it's like success health we mentioned health as well and also relationships. How do you or do you help your clients redefine success to include the relationships their their health and the success that they're looking for because of course if you're going all the way for high performance sometimes as you mentioned you can just be in that one lane of succeeding how do you help clients or I guess almost redefine that yeah it's it's kind of going through the process again at a higher level.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

So it's not as much time digging into the details or the exercises for the different principles but it could be a quick little reflection like hey Mo, how how have you been doing now? Like are you challenging yourself appropriately or are you are you getting enough rest? Are you recovering well? Or hey how's your how has your support how's your team triangle going? When's the last time you've checked in with so and so or X, Y, and Z? Have you connected with your extended network in a while? Or because you sound like you've been grinding really hard and alone for this spot here or or even hey Mo I haven't seen too much coming out from your side have you are you if you've still been creating different opportunities for yourself and for others are you still building different things or have you kind of been stuck circling the same project or activity for so long or or maybe it's even looking back on like hey schedule's chaotic is there anything that you need to be doing to kind of smooth things out to buy yourself more time to get into better rooms, bigger circles, whatever it may be and it doesn't even have to be that deep it could just be run through the prime process like hey you've been challenging yourself how have you been eating are you clear on where you're going are you moving smoothly how are your habits how's your circle of people and are you creating more opportunities awesome circling back to burnout our friend burnout what's one thing that burnout has taught you that no study and certification could have taught you so burnout itself taught me that the idea of burnout is much different. So when I first thought about burnout I thought of it as a sign of weakness and I was like oh well that person's burnt out just because they can't handle that or they can't push forward or they're not strong enough. But I realized that burnout really is that moment where the speed that you're moving outpaces the direction that you're supposed to be going. So if we go back to where I was as a strength and conditioning coach, I was going down the right path. I was going in a in the right direction and I started going at a fast rate. I started going so fast that every little bump and turn in the road started to deter me so hard. And that prevented me from getting to where I needed to and that little bit of deviation there for a longer period of time going at a fast enough speed is what causes that crash in burn.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

And of course burnout can lead to a visit to the hospital right and a lot of times it's because there are some people who go oh burnout's for other people it's not for me.

SPEAKER_00 35:26

I work hard I grind I do my thing that's not in my vocabulary what do we say to that person now to prevent that health challenge in the future that hospital visit in the future potentially or that crash that they just aren't able to control because it just happens it might not be the best thing to say but I would say hey man you're not special. You're just like everybody else and it's funny because I used to see it so much specifically in like nutrition clients of people trying to lose weight they're like oh I can't lose weight because I'm different from everybody else like oh or even I'm trying to gain weight this food's not working I just can't get any stronger or whatever it may be. And I would be like man dude you're you're not special you're just not following it as well as as you could be and then the same thing I would talk to myself back then like Rob I know you have this idea or this identity of this hard work ethic you're not special dude you're going to burn out all these signs of isolation and your chaotic schedule poor habits you're not learning anything you're not challenging yourself you're not creating opportunity all these things are the signs that you're going down and you're not special. It's going to happen to you as well I love that so much.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

So you heard it here first you're not special and um it it's just true we we're all human we need to look after ourselves wealth is wealth results are wealth but health is wealth as well it's so so important. Rob if you could leave listeners with one question so they can mull over ask themselves this week about how they're working a living what would it be?

SPEAKER_00 37:13

I would ask them to ask yourself how are you doing? How are you actually doing and answer it honestly because just like in business and in sports and weight loss and all these different things chances are we already know the answer but sometimes we refuse to kind of tell ourselves the answer. We know we got to eat better. We know we got to sleep better we know we have to have more conversations we know we have to market ourselves a little bit better. We need to do the things we know we need to but we oftentimes make excuses or we don't honestly answer that. So just answer ask yourself like how am I actually doing right now and be honest with it.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

Bro this has been such a great conversation I'm honored to call you a friend and if someone's listening to this how do they learn more about you?

SPEAKER_00 38:11

Yeah I mean the easiest way to kind of get in touch or to stay up to date with the things that I'm doing is to just hop over to social media Instagram and LinkedIn is where I hang out the most and I encourage anybody if you're listening to this like if you like something or even if you dislike something or you disagree with something I said I'm a huge fan of feedback so I'm open to hearing everyone's thoughts who is listening to this and the best place to kind of hop on a quick the quickest way to hop on a call with me would be to visit over at surviving the sidehustle dot com forward slash free call.

SPEAKER_01 38:45

That's awesome and uh the link will be in the show notes as well. Rob this has been awesome great to to chat to you again.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

Mo, I appreciate you man uh we gotta talk again soon man it's too far in between absolutely you're awesome thank you for listening to purpose driven success with Mo Salomi.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

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